Comments on Nerf this Druid: Haste vs. Crit: A guide for resto druids

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"your only healing should be raid healing, we...

2009-11-10T10:13:18.345-08:00

"your only healing should be raid healing, we were designed for it, we gear for it, hots make excellent raid heals,"

I wasn't going to comment, but the line above made me throw in my two cents. Having been a tree from the very beginning, raid healing has never been an interest to me. Being on the tanks is where it's at; it's the most exciting, for me, and being able to get some hots out on the raid as needed is just a plus.

My main ( I have two resto druids, one on each side ) sports almost 600 haste, in which drops the cast time on my HT. I spec 14/0/57, to get the added haste talents from the balance tree. Granted, you still have the one second GCD, but when HT is critting for 26k+ in a 10man raid on the tank, you don't think too much of it.

Some say I do it wrong, because I put haste and spirit before spell power, socket bonus or not. Right now, I'm at 2300+ unbuffed and outside of tree form and 19% crit. For me, that's enough to not worry about stacking the SP.

It's not unusual for my druid to top out around 7k-8k HPS in fights where damage is consistent on everyone and not just the tank. It's true, druids were simply made and designed for raid healing. However, you will always find my little tree with tank priority and raid second.

Wocnam, Server: Antonidas US, i decided to start s...

2009-10-11T16:18:46.718-07:00

Wocnam, Server: Antonidas US, i decided to start searching some posts on how to jump my healing even father after healing 7k hps vs the Twin Valkyrs, I read many posts on haste cap with 25 buffs being around 320 when i have about 450 haste, 1600 spirit, and 730mp5 while casting, and yet i can use ever innervate in site, but i still push a amazing amount of hps.

Overall i think that haste is the most important stat for any druid, your only healing should be raid healing, we were designed for it, we gear for it, hots make excellent raid heals, now as far as crit goes, very little is dependant on crits for druids, i can crit for 15k nourish with hots on a target but thats not what i heal for, critting is a priests job.

If you have any questions or comments that you wish to share, id be happy to answer them, my email address is Dznutzstr8@yahoo.com if u wish to ask anything or discuss this matter further, u can also reach me in game.

Have fun druids, and good luck healing

I was with 150-200 haste then lucky me, I get the ...

2009-05-21T09:54:52.295-07:00

I was with 150-200 haste then lucky me, I get the Lifebinder http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45479 my haste go to almost 400, and yea, that nourish going a going in no time in almost-wipe-pulls are great. :-D

I have a 19.74% to crit and with nature's grace pr...

2009-05-17T18:23:00.000-07:00

I have a 19.74% to crit and with nature's grace procing and soul of the dead(oh ya i ninjaed one)i find it quite easy to outheal haste druids plus i don really feel the diffrence from when i had the 400 haste going for me. w/o my sp going up too much i went from doing 2.8k-3.3k hps on serious boss fights i went to 3.4k-4k hps on the harder boss fights in ulduar. But idk recently i have been debating going back to haste.

@Anon #1: Yeah, you can't have a 0.8 second cast f...

2009-05-11T07:24:00.000-07:00

@Anon #1: Yeah, you can't have a 0.8 second cast for Nourish. I mean, you *can*, but it's going to clip the GCD. You won't be able to cast anything until 1 second has passed.

@Anon #2: 505 isn't a strict guideline - it's the soft cap. Anything more than 505 will continue to reduce your cast times, but it won't benefit your GCD (can't go under 1 second) and it won't benefit cast times that are already under 1 second (like Nourish, which will just end up clipping the GCD). So any haste over 505 will only positively affect your Healing Touch and your Regrowth.

If you find that you have more than 505 haste, you really should try to switch out some haste for crit.

Personally, I have around 200 haste, and I really wish I had more. I tried regemming for it but I just lose too much spell power. I looked through some of my other gear to find something with haste on it, but I don't seem to have much other than the hero's dreamwalker gloves. My regrowth is a 1.9 second cast, and Nourish is 1.4, and both feel like an eternity.

Then again, I've got over 18% crit raid buffed....

Here's hoping that some good haste gear drops in Ulduar!

Thanks for the guide, really awesome stuff. I've b...

2009-05-11T03:51:00.000-07:00

Thanks for the guide, really awesome stuff. I've been wondering on this topic for quite a while, but I've always preferred haste over crit.

I was wondering, is that 505 haste a guideline or soft cap for GCDs (sorry if I missed it in the post, read through the comments before posting mine so I might have forgotten)?

As for the post above me... Nourish doesn't benefit from Nature's Grace... Cause its casting time is the same as the GCD, and both are lowered by haste (effectively making it impossible to cast it faster than a GCD).

Nice guide. I just wanted to point out that some, ...

2009-03-20T11:57:00.000-07:00

Nice guide. I just wanted to point out that some, including me, resto droods spec natures grace, which is another very useful proc after crit.
Immagine a regrowth crit and a 0.8 sec nourish and living seed. Great for bringing up a tank on the verge of death.
Didn't see anything about natures grace in the guide, perhaps you should check that out.
Peace.

I agree with you and Syd, Averna. Haste seems to b...

2009-03-12T13:38:00.000-07:00

I agree with you and Syd, Averna. Haste seems to be marginally better than crit rating, but I have always regarded both as wasted itemization on restoration druid gear. If we could use that item budget on spirit or mp5 or spell power, we would be much better off. I just posted an assessment of Living Seed that plays a little into what you have been saying here. Please feel free to drop by and tell me what you think.

Thanks for this article Averna. I was going to wri...

2009-03-12T06:40:00.000-07:00

Thanks for this article Averna. I was going to write one myself on the same topic but now I'll just link yours :)

Pantalaimon is right that the haste soft cap is 505. I see no need to get anywhere near there, though, in our current gear, because it would mean a sacrifice of spellpower or spirit. That's not worth it to me.

I'm going for a balance between haste and crit. I think that haste is the clear winner right now, and as such I wish I had more of it, but I think that crit will pull even with the new constraints of 3.1. Hotting more people faster is not necessarily a good thing when we're always OOM. In my experience with BC stacking haste always left a player at risk of running out of gas early.

I am also curious to see the next tier of gear. It's been explained on the official forums that the crit and haste on resto druid gear is due to it being the first tier, but from what I see of ulduar, every piece still has either crit or haste. I'm still not seeing any spirit/mp5 pieces, which would be highly desirable in a mana-scare environment.

I don't favor either of these stats and I could ca...

2009-03-11T19:03:00.000-07:00

I don't favor either of these stats and I could care less about them.

I have seen no performance difference by changing gear with haste for crit or vice versa.

The only thing that matters in my experience is stacking spell power for throughput and taking Spirit socket bonuses when possible.

Averna, thanks so much for pointing me toward this...

2009-03-11T11:57:00.000-07:00

Averna, thanks so much for pointing me toward this post from my own ruminations about crit today. I didn't take into account at all the crit on the bloom of Lifebloom, which may become very, very important following 3.1. Maybe adding some crit to the gear build is worthwhile. I certainly hope some enterprising druid will run some tests on the PTR! Thanks, too, for supporting my site. I really appreciate it! /hug!

@Roman: good call. What's nice too, is that the
2009-03-11T11:55:00.000-07:00
@Roman: good call. What's nice too, is that the Embrace of the Spider AND The Egg of Mortal Essence don't share a same internal cooldown. I've seen both buffs come up at once for me.

While walking home today I suddenly thought of
2009-03-11T10:08:00.000-07:00
While walking home today I suddenly thought of The Egg of Mortal Essence. It procs quite often, so maybe some kind of "chaotic" healing could be used. Like high (but still not guaranteed) crit chance and frequent (but still not guaranteed) trinket procs.
Sounds odd, but who knows. Maybe it does make some sense after all :)

Thanks a lot for this clarification, our raid's re...

2009-03-11T06:58:00.000-07:00

Thanks a lot for this clarification, our raid's resto druid needed some attention to his gear, and I've been trying to convince him of gearing haste instead of crit, and this post will help us more than ever!

I've been playing a balance/resto druid for 71 levels and i think haste is much more better than crit for healing, because resto druids are possibly the only healer class able to lower his GCD to 1 sec, thus allowing them to heal faster than anyone else.

Add this awesome fact to the fantastic raid healing that druids can do, and just enjoy :)

Best regards,
Alwär

My opinion is haste>crit. It is nice indeed whe...

2009-03-11T04:43:00.000-07:00

My opinion is haste>crit. It is nice indeed when a spell crits, but that's all. Also Improved Regrowth makes the Regrowth spell crit quite often. And it's like one of two direct heals being in use often enough.
Haste helps you oom quicker if you just keep spamming heals. If nothing's gone wrong, you don't need to. But if something does, 0.2 sec of gcd could make a difference between life and death. Not to mention 0.3sec cast reduction for Regrowth and 0.225 for Nourish (assuming you have 505 haste rating). And what's essential for a healer - it's stable. You know your gcd, you know your casting times, it becomes a part of your healing rotations.
When I was experimenting with druid resto builds, I discarded GotE once to take Naturalist or something... Well... That was a nightmare. Discarding Improved Regrowth didn't even seem to be a loss after that. Still, those experiments showed that both of those talents are worth having. Maybe I just LIKE haste more. If I was a crit-freak, I suppose I could put crits to some good use.
And of course resto druids need no more than 505 haste rating.

I generally favor Haste over Crit, purely so I can...

2009-03-10T14:42:00.000-07:00

I generally favor Haste over Crit, purely so I can apply that initial stack of HoTs (Rejuv --> LBx3) faster on a pull, or recover if I was stunned/incapacitated and they ran out.

While I'm starting to like Nourish more and Regrowth is for those bigger-spike-damage fights as a safety net, those are the only spells I cast that can crit, ignoring LB's bloom which I rarely allow.

It comes down to helping all spells versus just 2 (and a half for LB's bloom if you want to count it). Haste > crit for now, but that may change in the upcoming patch, when I'm not quite the "bottomless mana bucket" that I am now...even with my spirit trinket/Innervate trick.

I don't believe the GCD reduction of haste suf...

2009-03-10T14:19:00.000-07:00

I don't believe the GCD reduction of haste suffers from DR, but merely from a softcap in the case of druids. Meaning, after 505 haste (reduction to 1.3s GCD) you don't benefit anymore, because you cannot reduce it below 1.0s and GotEM gives you -0.3s.

See: http://www.plusheal.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1019&p=20008

Also, it's worth noting that haste helps you oom quicker, while crit could theoretically save you mana if you end up having to heal less (e.g. it's not wasted on overheal).

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